(11-23-2008 08:19 AM)admin Wrote: [ -> ]Two Things.
1. Bombing in another country is bombing in another country no matter which way you want to dress it up. Do I think America should go after these guys? Of Course. Do I think they should launch attacks across international borders without due diplomacy? Absolutley not. Its an affront to Pakistan - who, I might add, has been a strong American ally in the region. I'm sure a hotline can be established to pakistan to accomodate such actions - but where next? America wouldn't bomb a house in England without notifying the English Government, at least of a few minutes in advance. Common courtesy and good relations should apply further afield as well.
You seem to have overreacted to a relatively innocuous post. The fact is, and to be precise, the U.S. is not bombing Pakistan but hailing guided missiles at specific terrorist targets. There certainly is a difference and I pointed that out.
Secondly, while former president Musharraf may have been an ally of the U.S., I think it’s naïve to think that the U.S. announcing to the Pakistani government their intended targets would be a wise course of action. Sympathies for the Taliban and al qaeda run deep in places such as Pakistan.
The fact is, targeted strikes at locations in Pakistan do yield positive results.
The
telegraph.co.uk is reporting on another, (likely), predator drone missile strike in North Waziristan.
It looks like the
Great Satan™ has provided another
holy warrior™ with a generous Hellfire missile early retirement package.
Rashid Rauf will not be down for breakfast.
British terror mastermind Rashid Rauf 'killed in US missile strike'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...trike.html
British-terror-mastermind-Rashid-Rauf-killed-in-US-missile-strike.
Quote:Rashid Rauf, 27, who grew up in Birmingham, was killed along with at least three other militants in the attack on the house of a local tribesman in the North Waziristan area,
A US drone targeted the home in the village of Alikhel, part of a district known as a stronghold for al-Qaeda and the Taliban.
"The transatlantic bombing plot alleged mastermind Rashid Rauf was killed along with an Egyptian al-Qaeda operative in the US missile strike in North Waziristan," a senior Pakistani security official said.
Rauf, who has been on the run after escaping from a Pakistani jail nearly a year ago, was said to have played a key role in a liquid bomb plot allegedly targeting transatlantic airliners in 2006.
Rauf, a British national who used to live in Birmingham, escaped from Pakistani authorities after appearing before a judge in an Islamabad court in December last year. At the time, he could have faced extradition to Britain within weeks.
Quote:Secondly, You probably find it strange because you are quiet clearly assuming things about me rather than taking the time to ask before you even jump to conclusions. Is it a case now that everytime we mention the word terrorst we must first post we reject their methods so that people like you won't jump to conculsions? We weren't talking about the rights and wrongs of the terrorists - we were discussing whether is was right of wrong for a country to disregard international borders. In any case, care to point out anywhere where I've even remotely offered support for these terrorists that would quiet freely blow up men women and children to have us all bow down before them? OF couse you won't find any because I've never said any such thing, and I utterly reject eveything they stand for. It is not the way of Islam. But in your rush to start condeming me, you utterly failed to check any background facts. I don't spend time each day deleted utterly offensive posts calling for calls to arms from nutcases, only for you to come here and then pre-suppose I support those very nutcases. Its quiet clear you feel you have the authority to judge people without knowing anything about them. Go on, lets see where I've ever offered support for those nutcases you accuse me of not condeming to your satisfaction! I'll be waiting a while because I'm full sure you won't of course find any.
I await your abject apology.
I think you’re being a bit melodramatic. I hurled no accusations at you as you have suggested.
As to your comment regarding the U.S. “
disregard(ing) international borders”, I agree that is a vexing issue in connection with the U.S. launching these strikes. On the one hand, On the one hand, of course, every nation has the right for their borders to be respected and secure. On the other hand, Pakistan has demonstrated an inability to effectively rein in the terrorists who find safe haven in the tribal regions. As we see from the
telegraph.co.uk article above, the result of Pakistan’s inability to secure it’s own borders results in the spread of Islamic terrorism throughout the globe.
Those with their eyes open realized in the 21st century that state support for terrorism is the core of continuing terrorism. Killing terrorists? Sure, it's effective. Knocking off their leaders helps to slow them down. It gives us a sense of vengeance. It makes us feel good. But if anyone thinks killing Osama bin Laden and doing nothing else will solve our terrorism problems, they’re missing the point.
Terrorism is a pernicious enemy that is more psychological than tangible, and terrorists can exist almost undetected for extended periods to carry out attacks. What we must learn, however, is that they are impotent without the support of nation-states to produce weapons, safehold funds, and provide travel and shelter. It is there that we can make terrorism nothing but a wandering thought in the mind of a few.
That is to say, we will never stop someone in the world from wishing death to America. We CAN and WILL stop them from having the ability to carry that wish out.
Cutting off the sources of financing, materials, safe haven, and intelligence is the ONLY way to stop the tide of terror. The ONLY way. Period.