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What if i drew a picture of an Arab man, and it was a great picture revered by many far and wide, and after 20 years I decided that the man I had drawn was actually Mohammed PBUH. Would the picture still be retrospectively offensive to all Muslims who had viewed it in the 20 years before I intrinsically decided I had drawn Mohammed?
Salaam...

How could one draw a picture of someone that neither he nor the world has seen in near 1,400 years?

A person can draw whatever picture he likes, but unless he walked with the Man, and knows what he actually looks like, it can't be considered a picture of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

RM
So why are we not allowed to make images of the prophet, if it's not possible to do so?
freesome Wrote:So why are we not allowed to make images of the prophet, if it's not possible to do so?

Salaam...

I think you have answered your own question. If it is not possible for one who has not seen the Prophet (PBUH) to produce or draw a truthful picture of him, then any attempt to do so would only produce a falsehood.

RM
Mr. Muhammad Wrote:
freesome Wrote:So why are we not allowed to make images of the prophet, if it's not possible to do so?

Salaam...

I think you have answered your own question. If it is not possible for one who has not seen the Prophet (PBUH) to produce or draw a truthful picture of him, then any attempt to do so would only produce a falsehood.

RM

Yes, but go back to my original post. I draw an Arab, fellow Muslims see it, then some time later I decide that the person I (tried) to draw is Mohammed (PBUH). Would other Muslims now be angry at me for drawing a picture which did not previously anger them?
freesome Wrote:Yes, but go back to my original post. I draw an Arab, fellow Muslims see it, then some time later I decide that the person I (tried) to draw is Mohammed (PBUH). Would other Muslims now be angry at me for drawing a picture which did not previously anger them?

I imagine many would be upset, especially if they hold to the line of reasoning I mentioned above.

Although, it doesn't speak favorably of the rationality of the artist to draw a picture, and then 20 year later "decide" it is a picture of the Prophet (PBUH).

Either the artist knows from the beginning what he or she is doing, and is being deceitful; or the artist is a bit arrogant, or out of touch with reality, to think he or she can just "decide" such a thing.

The truth is that unless the artist actually saw the Prophet (PBUH) in person, his drawing cannot be a drawing "of the Prophet".

Personally, I don't think I would be upset under the circumstances stated. I would just dismiss it as insanity and vanity...never mind the fact that "I've" never seen the Prophet either! ...lol...

But we should not make it a practice to promote falsehood, whether by word, by imagery or by deed. Such is not the behavior of a person who is striving to be pleasing to Allah.

RM
Mr. Muhammad Wrote:
freesome Wrote:Yes, but go back to my original post. I draw an Arab, fellow Muslims see it, then some time later I decide that the person I (tried) to draw is Mohammed (PBUH). Would other Muslims now be angry at me for drawing a picture which did not previously anger them?

I imagine many would be upset, especially if they hold to the line of reasoning I mentioned above.

Although, it doesn't speak favorably of the rationality of the artist to draw a picture, and then 20 year later "decide" it is a picture of the Prophet (PBUH).

Either the artist knows from the beginning what he or she is doing, and is being deceitful; or the artist is a bit arrogant, or out of touch with reality, to think he or she can just "decide" such a thing.

The truth is that unless the artist actually saw the Prophet (PBUH) in person, his drawing cannot be a drawing "of the Prophet".

Personally, I don't think I would be upset under the circumstances stated. I would just dismiss it as insanity and vanity...never mind the fact that "I've" never seen the Prophet either! ...lol...

But we should not make it a practice to promote falsehood, whether by word, by imagery or by deed. Such is not the behavior of a person who is striving to be pleasing to Allah.

RM

Unless it is to deceive the kuffar! As Mohammed (PBUH) taught!
Salaam...

When and Where did Allah or His Messenger condone being "deceitful" to anyone?

RM
" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89

"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225

"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28
freesome Wrote:" Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful." Surah 5:89

This is NOT giving permission to be "deceitful". This is referring to carelessness...speaking without sufficient knowledge.

Quote:"Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness (vain) in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts; and He is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing." Surah 2:225

Again, Allah is clearly NOT giving permission to be "deceitful", so much so that He clearly mentions that actions are judged by INTENTIONS, and there is no such justification from Allah for formulating "deceitful" intentions.

Quote:"Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty." Surah 16: 106

How this is even relevant, I do not see.

Quote:"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28

...nor is this relevant.

Consider these:

4:135 O you who believe, be maintainers of justice, bearers of witness for Allah, even though it be against your own selves or (your) parents or near relatives whether he be rich or poor, Allah has a better right over them both. So follow not (your) low desires, lest you deviate. And if you distort or turn away from (truth), surely Allah is ever Aware of what you do.

5:8 O you who believe, be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice; and let not hatred of a people incite you not to act equitably. Be just; that is nearer to observance of duty. And keep your duty to Allah. Surely Allah is Aware of what you do.

16:94 And make not your oaths a means of deceit between you, lest a foot should slip after its stability, and you should taste evil because you hinder (men) from Allah's way and grievous chastisement be your (lot).

22:30 That (shall be so). And who ever respects the sacred ordinances of Allah, it is good for him with his Lord. And the cattle are made lawful for you, except that which is recited to you; so shun the filth of the idols and shun false words,

33:70 O you who believe, keep your duty to Allah and speak straight words:


Allah does NOT condone believers being "deceitful".

RM
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